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Das Präsens und Quenya im Lichte von PE 17

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Ah, ok danke für die Hinweise. Werd ich dann mal ein bisserl nachlesen.
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Beitrag Mi Jul 16 2008 10:56

Also, einfach mal zum Praesens eine Sammlung, inzwischen haben wir tatsaechlich einiges:

Fuer die basic verbs tut sich nicht viel neues - der Stammvokal wird gelaengt wenn moeglich (wenn zwei Konsonanten folgen geht's halt nicht), und die Endung -a kommt hinten dran, das wussten wir schon laenger:


quet- 'to say' pr.t. quēta (VT41:11,13)
talt- 'to slip (intr.)' pr.t. talta (PE17:186)
ten- 'to arrive' pr.t. tēna (VT49:23)
car- 'to make' pr.t. cára (PE17:144)
untup- 'to cover' pr.t. untúpa (PE17:73)

Fuer derived verbs scheint -ea Endung der Wahl zu sein, wenn geht (selten) ebenfalls mit Laengung des Stammvokals:

henta- 'to examine' pr.t. hentea (PE17:77)
ista- 'to know' pr.t. istea (PE17:77)
nahta- '*to slay' pr.t. nahtea (PE17:77)
orta- '*to raise' pr.t. ortea (PE17:77)
melya- '*to love' pr.t. melyea (PE17:77)
ora- 'to urge' pr.t. ōrea (VT41:13,18)
talta- 'to slip (tr.)' pr.t. taltea (< taltayâ) (PE17:186)

Ein Fall ist klar Analogiebildung hierzu (das Verb ist nicht wirklich von der Wurzel gebildet):

tengwa- 'to read' pr.t. tengwea (VT49:48)

In einem Fall gibt es eine Kuerzung, die vermutlich phonetisch gewuenscht ist:

orya- '*to rise' pr.t. orea (statt **oryea) (PE17:77)

Ein Fall zeigt ein ganz anderes Schema, naemlich Laengung und Wiederholung des Stammvokals:

*manta- 'to bless' pr.t. mānata (VT49:52)

Und dann gibt's noch ein paar Verben die wie derived verbs aussehen, wo das -a aber Teil der Wurzel ist. Die werden von Tolkien ein bisschen gemischt behandelt:

la- 'to be not' pr.t. laia (< lâjâ) (VT49:13)

wird als derived verb behandelt und bekommt die Endung -ayâ.

na- 'to be' pr.t. (VT49:27 as nain, nánye)

wird hingegen als basic verb behandelt, im Aorist werden die Formen ueber -i- angehaengt, und im Praesens wird gelaengt und/oder die Endung -a angehaengt.

ava- 'to refuse' pr.t. āva, āvea (VT49:13)

zeigt beides - Laengung des Stammvokals, und Laengung des Stammvokals mit Endung -ayâ.

Also - ausser dass es eine Klasse von Verben gibt die mit -a enden aber keine derived Verbs sind (was ich schon laenger immer wieder schreibe) ist das ganze recht konsistent. Eigentlich zu sehr - habe ich Formen ausgelassen?
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