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Quenya course revision - proofreading thread


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lessons 16-20

p.118, 120
>alta valto

Perhaps better alma (PE17:146), since valto is from the conception in Qenya where the Valar were 'the happy folk'.

p.118, 134
>cotumoron

>> cotumóron (?)

p.118
>Valimaro

>> Valimáro (?)

p.119
>macileva
>maciliva

>> macilwa, macilíva?

p.120
>Indisenna

>>Indissenna?

p.124, 126
>Ualme use.
>We cannot flee.
>us- to escape

A late Quenya alternative could be #rehta- from REK- 'recover, get out/away, save from ruin/peril/loss' (PE17:38).

p. 128, 130
>fairienyan.

Again I would prefer later Quenya alternatives like *lerie, *lérasse from LER-.

p.129, 130
>Culu túvina

Culu was struck out and final -u is generally seen to become -o in Quenya, so perhaps it would be better to use the alternatives culo, cullo.

p.134
>mahtalenen

>>mahtalénen?

>Atacénala
>Looking back

Wouldn't ata- imply 'look a second time'? There is nattire 'look back' (PE17:166), however deleted.

p.134
>hísievea

>>hísiévea?

>terlelyante

>>tellelyante

p.140
>alenyalima
>beyond recall

>>arenyalima?

>Yando
>also

Again, I think something like yea is preferable since yando looks like an adverb formed with -o.

p.141
>nénesse

>>nenesse

p.142

>VQ: hunie

>>huine

>EQ: falme (wave) -> VQ: hwalma

>>falma?
But as I understand it according to VT41:8 ph > hw only occured before u and in that conception actually both in Noldorin and Vanyarin Quenya. Earlier conceptions had hu-, fu- as variants in Quenya. Otherwise Vanyarin Quenya keeps bilabial ph-.

p.144
>mathale (a fight)

>>mahtale
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Another point: On p.27 it reads:

>Quenya works the same way. When an adverb is really associated with the subject, it is not
>marked by a special ending. Usually the adverb in Quenya follows the verb. In contrast to
>adjectives, adverbs cannot be marked for any plural, they remain in the same form even if
>the verb is in plural:

Unless I'm overlooking something this is based on PE17:73-74, where it is said:
Adverbs from adjectives. These were less used than in English. Whenever possible an adjective was used atrrib[utive] to the agent or subject; as he ran quick, - spoke soft - sat silent - it shone golden [...]
So Tolkien quite clearly talks about attributive adjectives, not endingless adverbs. The difference is that attributive adjectives do agree in number and in fact we see that in lassi lantar laurie. This would concern:

p.27 >Aiweli vílar linta >> linte
p.96 >Aurion tolto cennemme eressea morne rambai mandommo. >> eressie
p.134 >I eldar nelde hehtar Hísiel mandosse ar linta nallelyar. >> linte

Considering the comment But adverbial forms were available especially for when far separated from verb or subject one might make it lintave in the last example.

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p. 29, 2.4.1: The Tengwar table gives the character rómen instead of óre.
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